Heaven or Hell: you decide and are responsible

Have you ever noticed how easily you can slip from one state into another. You’ll see this very often in a movie, that the scene can drastically change within seconds at the drop of a phone call, or the sight of some auspicious character. This happens in real life too, its just more subtle and there is no ominous music to que that your state has been altered. I bet Liam Neeson wasn’t expecting his daughter to call him while she was in the process of being kidnapped in Taken. How easily one person can go from Heaven to Hell in a matter of seconds.

Heaven and hell are not places you go to after you die, it is much more serious then that. It is here right now, the transition of state that the self identified puts themselves in many times during the day based on conditioned expectation of the way “they” want reality to go. I can show you exactly how it happens. Reality sits here just being what it is (because it can’t be anything other than what it is.) and then the thing that says that it has its own preferential reality tends to butt in a bunch of preferences. The next thing happens that doesn’t quite match the preference and thus enters the altering state, as scenarios and emotions begin to swirl around in ones imagination, one is enveloped in their fantasy world where they no longer see reality for what it is. The sad thing is, is that people are not aware that this is happening, that these fleeting fantasies are not reality and are not real because they are too busy with “their preference” to realize it. How can they though, when they aren’t even aware that this ever goes on, they just assume that this is the way life is.

When someone feels that they are living what they think is self fulfilling and things are going the way they want them to go, they are in heaven. When something goes wrong in that little bubble of fantasy that is not fulfilling their idea of the way things should be going, they immediately switch into hell as it ailes the body physically and emotionally. Some people even stay in this hell for long periods of time without realizing that they are there. Here is a good example, at the very beginning of a break up, one would feel varying degrees of sadness, anger, sorrow, guilt, worthlessness. I think most of us can agree that these things at times even feel un-bearable, and the person going through all of this will not pull themselves out until they either understand where those feelings are coming from, or they become exhausted of them and just let them go. YOU have no one to blame but yourself for putting yourself there, this is hell, and its torture.  What would you expect for putting such expectation or such ideas out there? Were you expecting it to last forever knowing that the reality of all things that are impermanent? You’ve deceived yourself into thinking that this relationship was an exception but even the longest of relationships are halted by the death of the body.

That is just one example of the hell that you create yourself because you have this fantasy idea of something that isn’t true. It all comes from “self” perpetuation, that there is even a self to begin with. That there is even a self that interacts with other selfs, but if you only knew that those thoughts and states were all love abiding in each other through concepts and words, but not necessarily a “me” things might be different. The thought of self exists but the actual self does not. You’re assuming just because the thought is there makes it so, but it does not. Just because a character exists in the dream state doesn’t make them real when you wake up does it?

So when are you going to wake up and realize that you either put yourself in heaven or hell now, through this idea that there is someone there living a life. The only way to heaven is through “me”, to be truly selfless, that means without self. There is no self there to claim anything, there is only claiming and works being done; There is truly no one doing works, and no one claiming to do them.

WAKE UP!

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Nick Myers, a 28 year old serial blogger. Also minimalist, zen participant, philosopher, author of Emotional Alchemist, and tea disciple. I am one who sees a potential lesson in every experience in life. Life is who we are and life is our ultimate guru. I seek to bring us together through our own shared experiences. And hope to not only learn deeply who I am but to learn deeply who others are by dropping my ideas from moment to moment about you.

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4 comments on “Heaven or Hell: you decide and are responsible
  1. Liz Madsen says:

    Uh… You know, Nick… I was just thinking about the thing you said ages ago: “I am.”

    What you are saying is true, but… There is this chemical vessel that we have to sail through life (aka the body)… A chemical vessel that does send us from Heaven to Hell.

    I have recently become obsessed with pain and pleasure and the huge part they play in our lives. How we fight all the time to gain the biggest pleasures and avoid the biggest pains. We cannot actually avoid pain (in fact, the biggest pains accompany the biggest pleasures), so it is well funny that we have this desire to stop as much of it as possible, at almost all costs.

    There is no doubt that positive thinking is much better than negative, or even realistic thinking.

    However I do not know just how responsible we are for the whole shabang. I think nobody actually wants to put themselves in Hell, and if they realized how close the two were, they wouldn’t want to put themselves in Heaven either (in fact, par example, when you don’t go robbing a bank just for the sake of cash, which brings you pleasure, you are avoiding pleasure and pain all together).

    But then we reach the question that I keep on asking: If you do detach from both pleasure and pain… What’s left out there? I mean in this world…

    In my ideal afterlife (if such), we would reach a stage of peace and detachment. Not Heaven, nor Hell. Something that is above the body. But in this world… Detaching kind of takes all the fun away. And if it is not fun and pleasure (and avoiding pain, even death) that motivate us to keep on living, then what is?

    Any new ideas on the meaning of life? 😛

    I don’t know if this made any sense… World seems too complex for me right now… I just wanted to share a few words.

  2. Liz Madsen says:

    P.S. I did get that we expect all sorts of things, instead of just taking everything as it is… But after all most things are “second hand information” and, another thought that I’ve been having lately is that, few instincts we are truly born with…

    Like if I were to walk into a room and someone would push me into holding a conference on medical things, all my brain could do is push everything I could possibly know about the medical world (although I am not connected to the field at all).

    It is a natural thing from the brain to expect all sorts of things. We always gain experience (even if it is second hand) and that is the reason for which we fear things we do not know, expect romances that never end (or some of us expect romances that end in a minute)… All part of this thing we call life. LOL

    And I do believe it is well hard, if not impossible, to ignore everything you have learned so far and the chemical reactions that happen in your body when you feel particular things.

    I suppose with training you could get to control them somehow and realize that you are in charge, but, in my opinion, that is well, well, well, well hard. As hard as ignoring a tooth ache and pretending it is not there.

  3. Liz Madsen says:

    Also… One last thing and I swear I am done… In this quest for reaching pleasure and avoiding pain (which seems ohhhhh so natural, although it is obviously a sad thing), it also seems natural to expect pleasure to last forever and pain never to come. Considering how we react to those stimulus… I’d say that is well natural.

    Sorry for the 1000 ideas that may not have anything to do with the whole thing. 🙂

  4. zenkitties says:

    Hey Liz,

    nice to see you visit again, actually there may be of some insight I could share in on this. It might take breaking down of what you’re trying to get at if you don’t mind. Firstly, the I am is different with which was suspected when that statement was made, and it wasn’t fully understood. I am refers to the vessel in which everything takes place, not a personal “I”, that is a fiction. The Personal I is the assumption, a very deep rooted assumption of someone existing, when looking at it, is that true? Can you pick it out, and point to it, or is that assumption just another thought, latching onto other thoughts, latching onto other thoughts, to compose some grand idea of something that wants to feel like some presence.

    In respect to body/mind. The body only reacts to the stimuli in which is given regardless of whether it is real or not, so thoughts and emotions can affect it very easily, however they are not controlled by a “controller” i guess you could say. Thoughts control the body no? I mean if you just pay attention to the hand and watch it open and close, what is really controlling that open and closing. The thought, “open hand” and the thought “close hand” there is no one there commanding it to do so, the thought of doing so is just there. It is this self thought that claims that, “I am commanding this” but the self thought is no different then any other thought. Therefore there is no I there to command.

    “However I do not know just how responsible we are for the whole shabang. I think nobody actually wants to put themselves in Hell, and if they realized how close the two were, they wouldn’t want to put themselves in Heaven either (in fact, par example, when you don’t go robbing a bank just for the sake of cash, which brings you pleasure, you are avoiding pleasure and pain all together).”

    Lets look at this one under a microscope, is it not this self thoughts choice to believe in something and having it not go the way it wants to feel some sort of emotion associated with its poor judgement of idea or belief? If you have the assumption that you’re a you, then you put yourself in the situation to begin with. “I am going to be in a relationship with this person, therefore if things don’t go the way my idea of them should go, I will suffer for it.” That is the invisible pact you make with yourself. This is under the “self-filter”, the fairy tale of heaven and hell. It has nothing to do with Reality aside from the fact that its contained in Reality. The reality is, is that two bodies with personalities are taking part in the emotion of love or infatuation (depending on a messload of factors I’m sure, but talking about that is a distraction) and then when the relationship ends, the two part ways. Its the ideas of what a relationship “should or shouldn’t be” are what brings about the drama of it. Of course, the way reality that is, doesn’t seem fancy or sexy to the person playing the roll, and quite dull. Reality is however quite straight forward to begin with and is playing out exactly as it should at every moment. (bad and good alike)

    “But then we reach the question that I keep on asking: If you do detach from both pleasure and pain… What’s left out there? I mean in this world…”

    This is good, because it doesn’t have anything to do with detachment, its just seeing that there is no one there to detach. Pleasure and pain exist and they happen, but there is no one there to control them, they just are there being experienced. All of those things are left out there, to the self this is seen as being “So my life is meaningless.” Sure if thats the way its seen, how can there be a meaning to something that isn’t real? Just like a dream, how can you say that it meant something, the feelings and thoughts definitely were there, but you weren’t.

    “P.S. I did get that we expect all sorts of things, instead of just taking everything as it is… But after all most things are “second hand information” and, another thought that I’ve been having lately is that, few instincts we are truly born with…”

    all things are second hand information, yes, thought based and self perpetuated. The only instinct that seems to be there is the one to be what we are on a very deeply ingrained level even with all the filters on. A deep recognition of the experience experiencing but not necessarily a seer seeing the experience. That is the thing that goes beyond words, or the gateless gate. To see that there is no “I” or no gate there; only then is it seen that there was never really the obstacle of the gate but rather, there is no gate.

    “I suppose with training you could get to control them somehow and realize that you are in charge, but, in my opinion, that is well, well, well, well hard. As hard as ignoring a tooth ache and pretending it is not there.”

    sure, there could be training to have this feeling of control over the mind, but there is no controller nor does there have to be a controller. Things can just be as they are, and they would be fine, and I’m sure they could manage themselves adequately. =P

    “Also… One last thing and I swear I am done… In this quest for reaching pleasure and avoiding pain (which seems ohhhhh so natural, although it is obviously a sad thing), it also seems natural to expect pleasure to last forever and pain never to come. Considering how we react to those stimulus… I’d say that is well natural.”

    Haha, you giving up the race? I think its a lot easier pulling out the root then picking at the weed ontop (pleasure and pain being merely weeds). However, I’m not sure if it is natural to expect pleasure to last forever, it seems life can easily prove this one false so that really only seems like fantasy, something in a fairy tale. It is not like the pendulum of a clock only swings to one side and never swings back to the other, or a storm enters a city and is never lifted, or that the waves of an ocean begin to curl and never crash down. At some point, there is an end to all things that begin.

    No worries about the ideas… they tend to rear their small little fangs from time to time, and even though they are distractions from the bigger picture of there not actually being anyone experiencing but rather experience happening.

    There is no you there to experience them, check it out and let me know what comes up! =]

    -Nick

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